[WarInEur] RE: WarInEur Digest, Vol 42, Issue 44

Tue Jan 29 13:56:30 EST 2008

The DG edition 4 Rules introduce a large number of optional counters, such as 7-10 and 6-10 German
motorized infantry divisions.  Counters for these rules were provided in the 1999 and ??2003?? reprintings
The games sell for in excess of $200 so I don't suppose Decision Games will sell spare sets cheaply (if they 
have any left to sell, which I doubt.) 

Scans of these counters are available for free down load; I Googled War in Europe and noticed that the 1999
set was posted . To protect copyright there were no back sides provided. 

If you need 6-10s, 7-10s, AIR MOBILE Divs, Allied and German ARTILLERY, MOUNTAIN units,
USA MARINES, Ukrainian and other Expatriate divisions and brigades, Soviet Guards Armored and Guards 
mechanized units and the other optional counters mentioned for WIE on the Decision Game rules this would be 
a very good place to start.   

The principle problem is that each time SPI/Avalon HIll/SPI republished the game 
they chose a completely new color scheme.  MY Soviet have gone from drab olive green to forest green to Crimson. 
This may necessitate pasting over every counter if the change is sufficiently drastic. .

To protect copyrights 

> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:00:28 -0500> From: warineur-request at mailman.halisp.net> Subject: WarInEur Digest, Vol 42, Issue 44> To: warineur at mailman.halisp.net> > Send WarInEur mailing list submissions to> warineur at mailman.halisp.net> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://mailman.halisp.net/mailman/listinfo/warineur> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> warineur-request at mailman.halisp.net> > You can reach the person managing the list at> warineur-owner at mailman.halisp.net> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of WarInEur digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Variants Counters Again (Kent & Sue Haunschild)> 2. Re: Variants Counters Again (SGMINFO at aol.com)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:48:35 -0600> From: "Kent & Sue Haunschild" <kentsue at cox.net>> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Variants Counters Again> To: <cwsgamer at comcast.net>, "Karl Gaarsoe"> <oscardalibrarian at yahoo.com>, <warineur at mailman.halisp.net>> Message-ID: <001501c861ff$eae6fb20$6401a8c0 at kent839ba1def4>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";> reply-type=original> > There are some people who have had "extra" or "different" counter sets > printed up and they sell them on line or through game stores. Think of them > as aftermarket parts for sports cars. The best ones are equal or better in > quality to the original publication and come with a errata sheet explaining > how to incorporate them into a specific game. Basically, you are then > playing with "house rules" supported by the additional countersets to make > it all work.> > I have corresponded with Karl in the past and believe he is in position to > supply some counters now, but is also exploring the possibility of producing > more if there is a market. So I any of you have wished you had a specific > type of counter to support your own house rules then drop Karl a reply. He > may have something on the shelf or be willing to supply additional counters > depending on demand.> > Kent> > > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:32:07 EST> From: SGMINFO at aol.com> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Variants Counters Again> To: kentsue at cox.net, cwsgamer at comcast.net, oscardalibrarian at yahoo.com,> warineur at mailman.halisp.net> Message-ID: <be4.245ca00e.34d03077 at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > In a message dated 28/01/2008 22:50:23 GMT Standard Time, kentsue at cox.net > writes:> > I have corresponded with Karl in the past and believe he is in position to > supply some counters now, but is also exploring the possibility of producing > more if there is a market. So I any of you have wished you had a specific > type of counter to support your own house rules then drop Karl a reply. He > may have something on the shelf or be willing to supply additional counters > depending on demand.> > Kent> > > There is certainly a market for such counters, and has been since the editor > in CWIE 1.> Myself, I provided;> > Mechanised Headquarters units> German tank destroyer brigades> Late war establishment German infantry divisions> MSUs that could be landed through minor ports> german heavy siege batteries> > For some scenarios> > The parameters for such must be strictly limited in scope, howver.> > They must accord with the basic counter types> Armour> Infantry> Artillery> anti Tank> > And special rules for them are are/will be strictly limited to existing > features.> > At the moment construction of these is not the easiest,> With development efforts being comcentrated on creating a relatively bug > free and robust main system.> > I would hazard the view that more imaginative and esoteric efforts will be > supportable with an improved and more user friendly DG compatible upgrade at a > later date.> > > A word of caution in such approaches.> > The range and scope of such variations will perforce be rigidly controlled > by the system. This is not some kind of Universal Military Sinulator. UMS 1 and > II went along that road, and did not meet with unqualified success, the > result would /could be similar to the plethora of chess simulators in the '70s > and '80s with all manner of boards and special counters. They did not stand the > test of time.> > The classic game and its immediate variants is what the programme is all > about.> > One should bear in mind one truism...home grown variants do not travel well, > cf the issues raised by many of the myriad errata, both official and > unofficial....there is a great deal of inherent 'customer resistance' to such > projects.> > The discussions on expanded naval rules and variants on the airwar module, > have both cruelly uncovered the potential Pandora's box of issues that can lurk > within, illustrating how well the original designers did when they framed > the systen, Europa also neatly illustrated these very points.> > >From the WIE stable modelling the existing game is fine, anything more is > to be treated with great caution, unless it addresses some long perceived > issues, and even then only as options.> > With variants comes fragmentation and the potential to split the community> > The one thing that Greg's version did...it unified the continuing boardgame > community, at least on one version of the rules, and play. We must be careful > that in any editor, we enable play to a compatible and to a universal set of > nanifests and ground rules> > -|steve|-> > > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.halisp.net/pipermail/warineur/attachments/20080129/0bc64fc3/attachment-0001.html> > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> WarInEur mailing list> WarInEur at mailman.halisp.net> http://mailman.halisp.net/mailman/listinfo/warineur> > > End of WarInEur Digest, Vol 42, Issue 44> ****************************************
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