[WarInEur] Re: France 1940 and changing French unitstrength-Addendum

[Kent & Sue Haunschild]

I agree I don't like the A=B results and prefer more random results.  So maybe if A then 50% X B would be better.  The triggers are not precisely known but the probability of something coming to pass is general knowledge.

So if no BEF in France then add a trigger point in which there is a probability that Yugoslavia not only becomes pro-Axis, but that the counter-coup fails and that it remains pro-Axis.

Or maybe Spain and Turkey activate when the Political point Total is 75+/- 5 and then add a probability to it so there is some chance that Turkey or Spain might join the Axis camp when the political point total reaches 70 but only certainty at 80.


Or Vichy France becomes pro-axis in turn for receiving more internal control.  The French viewed Vichy as a stop gap measure on the way towards a more permanent peace.  There were a number of times they thought seriously about throwing in with the Germans.  One of the reasons the CW invaded the Levant was because the French commanders allowed the Germans to ship weapons and aircraft to Iraq to support the uprising.  Once the uprising was put down the French said the actions weren't authorized by the government and acquiesced to the CW occupation.

Or Turkey invades the Levant (Which was a real fear) and one reason the French didn't protest stronger.  They knew thatt eventually they'd get it back fron the British without a fight but if the Turk's took it there were no such guarantees.

Or Cyprus revolts.  Again a real possibility and the British had to promise freedom after the war if they didn't rock the boat right now.

Or there is an Arab uprising with the goal of throwing the French and British out while they can.  Again this was a real possibility at the time.  The only reason the Germans didn't taken advantage of the situation was because this was going to be in the Italian sphere of operation and they directed these offers and requests for help to the Italians who failed to act for numerous reasons.  But what if?

Or for every colonial garrison pulled out of a country the Axis get to place a Partisan Cadre.  Most Allied players strip the French colonies because their is no downside, but in reality all these areas had active native opposition which would have moved into the vacuum if nothing else.

Lots of possibilities for interjecting some unknowns into the game.  It won't be history, but it should be fun to play.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeffery K. McGonagill 
  To: warineur at mailman.halisp.net 
  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:10 AM
  Subject: [WarInEur] Re: France 1940 and changing French unitstrength-Addendum



  The issue is what to do to get the CW to contribute to the defense of France and to make it something more than an, "I don't care."  Without benefit of hindsight, would the British at the time think that if they abandoned France that the French wouldn't side with the Germans?  Don't think logically, don't use hindsight, think with the emotions of the time.

  Churchill ordered the attack on Mers el Kebir because there was a concern that the Axis might get hold of the French fleet (or perhaps to show the US that the CW was in it for the long haul, or both).  Without a CW contingent would France have even stayed in the war and not seek a separate solution with the Germans?  Personally, I doubt it.

  Also, personally I dislike what passes for diplomacy in WiE.  It is too much, "If I do 'A' then 'B' results."

  How much of a chance would a CW player be will to take of France siding with the Germans if the BEF doesn't deploy to France?  10%?  5%?  

  ~Jeffery~
      Lets just get over this fantasy please.  The French were not going to fight
      with the Germans just because the Brits abandoned them.
    Interesting...

    The French did fight the British is several instances, and successfully, notably in Madagascar, defeating a British attempt at landings. These experiences led directly to the proposition that the Americans should lead the assault in North Africa. The allied planners were not prepared to gamble on the Brtish initial presence tripping off a full scale fight with Vichy. If our planners at the time felt that this was a serious risk...


    -|steve|-


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