{Spam?} [WarInEur] France 1940 and changing French unit strength-
Addendum
Noel & Pamela
emu at fwi.net.au
Sat Jan 12 21:36:48 EST 2008
Lets just get over this fantasy please. The French were not going to fight
with the Germans just because the Brits abandoned them. Remember that the
Brits bombed the French fleet etc. Most of France still looked to London as
their true friend in ally. And can you really see Hitler rearming the
French and relying on them to guard the flanks of his panzers? Not in a
million years, let alone a thousand...
regards,
Noel
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[mailto:warineur-bounces at mailman.halisp.net] On Behalf Of Carl Rupp
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 2:47 AM
To: Kent & Sue Haunschild
Cc: ultrasoundimages at sbcglobal.net; warineur at mailman.halisp.net
Subject: Re: {Spam?} [WarInEur] France 1940 and changing French unit
strength- Addendum
Kent & Sue Haunschild wrote:
A few more thoughts, if we made Vichy France an active Axis Ally if
Paris falls and there are not a certain number of British divisions
fighting to protect Paris. After all, the French would feel betrayed by
the British and might turn on them. The consequences of this would be huge.
1. No more need for a German garrison in France, 30 divisions freed up
for the East Front and North Afrika.
2. All surviving French troops are now converted to Active Axis and now
can fight side by side with the Germans and Italians in North Afrika and
Russia. Since the ten unit limit only applies to Germans, the French in
North Afrika might tip the balance against the British. Ahh Napoleon,
French troops occupying Moscow!!!
Plus, we could also make Norway defect to Active Axis too, at least in
the campaign game.
Imagine that, a Common Market, with military power in the 1940s fighting
against England and Russia!!!!
To prevent this the Brits would fight and die to save France!!!!
Carl
> When you constructed your CWIE1 scenario you swapped out about half of
> the at start 3-4's for 2-4's. This weakened the French sufficiently
> that France could fall if the Germans were agressive enough. Either
> this solution or the changing French Combat strength option I have
> suggested should work. The advantage to the solution I have suggested
> is the effect is tuneable. The disadvantage is that it requires
> additional coding while yours doesn't.
>
> Getting the BEF committed can only be solved by the use of political
> points (At least I don't see an alternative. Maybe someone else can?)
> because the consequences of a failure to commit the BEF to the defense
> of France would mainly be political. You have suggested a political
> point solution but because it is temporary it is toothless. Even if
> there are no BEF units in France after the fall of Paris doubling the
> political points is going to be insufficient to trigger any defections
> of minor countries to the Axis side. At a minimum, I'd think you'd
> have to add a Yugoslavian trigger at say 65 and maybe reduce Turkey
> and Spain to 70 and add a Vichy France 70 trigger.
>
> So if the BEF isn't committed and Paris falls then a direct
> consequence will be that Yugoslavia becomes Active Axis and the
> likelyhood of Spain and Turkey and possibly even Vichy France becoming
> Active Axis at a later date is greatly increased.
>
> I had suggested a political point cost for not committing the BEF to
> the defense of Belgium because it would require that the BEF be
> deployed in Northern France. The problem with your solution is a BEF
> stacked in Bordeaux would count and no political points would be
> gained or lost. Forcing a commitment to the defense of Belgium along
> with weakening the French should leave the BEF pocketed against the
> coast and a Dunkirk style evacuation underway.
>
> I do think both solutions temporarially weakining the French and a
> political point cost for not committing the BEF are going to be
> required to get historical outcomes.
>
>
>
> Kent
>
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> unit strength
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> In a message dated 12/01/2008 06:23:29 GMT Standard Time,
> ultrasoundimages at sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:ultrasoundimages at sbcglobal.net> writes:
>
> Coding should be simple (he says as he doesn't have to code
> it) so as a
> scenario it would allow the option to essentially re-create
> the blitzkrieg
> of France.
>
> - John
>
> Disliking, as I do, arbitrary 'must do this' types of rules, I am
> considering something like the following...
>
> At the fall of Paris do a check, if less than x CW divisions are
> in France, the political points for the fall of france are
> doubled.
>
> This effect lasts for 1 year, the 'excess' points being reclaimed
> on the 13th cycle after the event.
>
> representing the 'shock effect' of the fall of France.
>
> Then there is an incentive for the British, but not a 'ball and
> chain' on the noose around his neck.
>
> Coding this, mostly offboard, ought to be a simpler task, and it
> can readily be retro fitted to the board game.
>
> We already have the bones for tthis check in the French surrender
> rules, so adding a module to this may not be too cumbersome...
>
>
> -|steve|-
>
>
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