[WarInEur] RE: WarInEur Digest, Vol 42, Issue 2

Fri Jan 4 11:02:29 EST 2008

> Today's Topics:> > 1. Loading Paras? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> Quick questions for clarification. 

>(a) How many turns does it take to prepare paras for air assault? 
>" I know the rules read four turns ahead. My question really has to do with when you start >and stop counting. If you remove them from the map that should count as turn one. Correct? >They can be dropped on turn 4. So if I load a unit on turn one of a cycle they should be >available on turn four of the same cycle.> By my count this is wrong---Air movement is separate from land Movement. If Units are remomed from the map during turn 13 then four turns ahead would be turn 17. Reinforcements come first in a turn so the Partroopers would be in the air operaions Box at the begining of air combat for turn 17 and thus could not drop on turn 16. 

(b)Can builds be placed directly into the Air Box just like reinforcements can?-
I agree with Jack that    Builds = reinforcements. 
The built units are created on turn 0 , placed in a placement hex or in Naval or Air Operations   during the Strategic Cycle.  Although they do not move or fight until week 1 they are in the game. The one exception to this was that US combat reinforcements can be held in limbo and delivered via High Seas Naval Transport in the midst of a player turn. 

I enterpret being placed in the Air Box as having started the four-Week Drop Training if the unit in question is a combat unit.  THis is a way of being in the game that is not officially on map. I can think of some reasons why freshly-built air-transportable units should be required to make an on-map appearence first-<see below> one of which is this: What exactly is 4 weeks 
ahead of week 0/7/40, is it turn 4/7/40 or turn 1 of the following cycle(i.e.1/8/40?) 

In general, the attrition rule applied to new paratroop units will generally resolve this concern and related ones. To grow to full strength the units need to sit still in a supplied map hex. 

BOB in louisville

Message: 1> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:01:32 -0600> From: "Kent & Sue Haunschild" <kentsue at cox.net>> Subject: [WarInEur] Loading Paras?> To: <warineur at mailman.halisp.net>> Message-ID: <000801c84e43$6fded8f0$6401a8c0 at kent839ba1def4>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > > The rules say that reinforcements can be placed directly into the Air Box so they are immediately ready to drop. This leaves those countries that must build their units at a disadvantage and leaves some anomalies like the Italian 3-4 being immediately drop ready but the German 2-5's taking an additional four turns to prep or the Allies being able to place their 9-10 directly into the Air Box except when playing with the Allied Production Option.> > Thoughts> > Kent> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.halisp.net/pipermail/warineur/attachments/20080103/8bed66b8/attachment-0001.html> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:17:45 -0500> From: Jack Beckman <jack at yap-east.org>> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Loading Paras?> To: warineur at mailman.halisp.net> Message-ID: <0C6E7E36-6391-4681-9D15-B3183024635E at yap-east.org>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Kent & Sue Haunschild wrote:> > > Quick questions for clarification. How many turns does it take to > > prepare paras for air assault? Can builds be placed directly into > > the Air Box just like reinforcements can?> > We have always played that you can. I don't have the rules handy.> >> > I know the rules read four turns ahead. My question really has to > > do with when you start and stop counting. If you remove them from > > the map that should count as turn one. Correct? They can be dropped > > on turn 4. So if I load a unit on turn one of a cycle they should > > be available on turn four of the same cycle.> > I have always assumed this means a full 4 turns without (although I > could be wrong). So if I pick them up off the map on turn 1, I can > use them on turn 1 of the next cycle.> > >> > The rules say that reinforcements can be placed directly into the > > Air Box so they are immediately ready to drop. This leaves those > > countries that must build their units at a disadvantage and leaves > > some anomalies like the Italian 3-4 being immediately drop ready > > but the German 2-5's taking an additional four turns to prep or the > > Allies being able to place their 9-10 directly into the Air Box > > except when playing with the Allied Production Option.> > Builds *are* reinforcements.> > ===> > Jack> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.halisp.net/pipermail/warineur/attachments/20080103/87a491d3/attachment-0001.html> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:31:26 EST> From: SGMINFO at aol.com> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Loading Paras?> To: kentsue at cox.net, warineur at mailman.halisp.net> Message-ID: <ca0.214c2ded.34aea01e at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > In a message dated 03/01/2008 20:05:05 GMT Standard Time, kentsue at cox.net > writes:> > The rules say that reinforcements can be placed directly into the Air Box so > they are immediately ready to drop. This leaves those countries that must > build their units at a disadvantage and leaves some anomalies like the Italian > 3-4 being immediately drop ready but the German 2-5's taking an additional > four turns to prep or the Allies being able to place their 9-10 directly into > the Air Box except when playing with the Allied Production Option.> > Thoughts> > > > > With the new attrition option this issue never arises as a major point, > units arriving as new forces are useless for drop operations, so none are of any > immediate droppable application.. They need to be onboard to build up > effectiveness...> > Without attrition, this is indeed an issue. The difference being one of > exclusive vs inclusive counting.> > HOWEVER > > The logical answer in both cases should be, units must be placed ON THE > BOARD 1st, to be deemed to have entered play, THEN withdrawn in the reinforcement > phase to undergo drop preparation.> > If this were not to be allowed, technically to the letter of the law, if not > the Spirit, new US airborne divisions can directly enter drop preparation, > neatly skipping the Atlantic, using shipping capacity, and/or otherwise > clogging up the war effort.> > This 'exploit' could be exceptionally useful...> > No?> > > -\steve|-> > > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.halisp.net/pipermail/warineur/attachments/20080103/1c5c9d2d/attachment-0001.html> > ------------------------------> > Message: 4> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:36:10 EST> From: SGMINFO at aol.com> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Loading Paras?> To: jack at yap-east.org, warineur at mailman.halisp.net> Message-ID: <c67.25436ce9.34aea13a at aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > > In a message dated 03/01/2008 20:20:35 GMT Standard Time, jack at yap-east.org > writes:> > The rules say that reinforcements can be placed directly into the Air Box so > they are immediately ready to drop. This leaves those countries that must > build their units at a disadvantage and leaves some anomalies like the Italian > 3-4 being immediately drop ready but the German 2-5's taking an additional > four turns to prep or the Allies being able to place their 9-10 directly into > the Air Box except when playing with the Allied Production Option.> > > i would tend to take this as a typo. 'Immediately' perhaps > meaning/interpreted as beginning a 4 turn prep phase, rather than immediately being able to > drop.> > > -|steve|-> > > > > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://mailman.halisp.net/pipermail/warineur/attachments/20080103/48561e2d/attachment-0001.html> > ------------------------------> > Message: 5> Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:32:57 +0000> From: dlazov at comcast.net (Don Lazov)> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Loading Paras?> To: "Kent & Sue Haunschild" <kentsue at cox.net>,> <warineur at mailman.halisp.net>> Message-ID:> <010320082032.25542.477D4679000C99B2000063C622165548869001960E040B at comcast.net>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part --------------> An embedded message was scrubbed...> From: "Kent & Sue Haunschild" <kentsue at cox.net>> Subject: [WarInEur] Loading Paras?> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:05:18 +0000> Size: 654> Url: http://mailman.halisp.net/pipermail/warineur/attachments/20080103/e9d1e772/attachment.mht> > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> WarInEur mailing list> WarInEur at mailman.halisp.net> http://mailman.halisp.net/mailman/listinfo/warineur> > > End of WarInEur Digest, Vol 42, Issue 2> ***************************************
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