[WarInEur] Combat results oddity

[Eric Gerber]

The original game was about making lots of 3-1 attacks.  This is what allow
you to push the line until it broke.

Eric

  -----Original Message-----
  From: warineur-bounces at mailman.halisp.net
[mailto:warineur-bounces at mailman.halisp.net]On Behalf Of Kent & Sue
Haunschild
  Sent: August 24, 2008 10:57 PM
  To: Warineur; Gary Krockover
  Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Combat results oddity


  The the board game CRT has been coded into CWIE2 so they are identical.
Normally, I never make low odds attacks because they are so adverse for the
attacker.

  However, the attrition option almost requires the use of low odds attacks
to soak off the ememy strength.  It was while playing a hotseat game that it
occurred to me that when the defender is flipped he always has the option to
retreat but the attacker doesn't.  Which given the rules regarding flips
always have the retreat option seemed odd. So I brought it up for comment.

  One of the reasons the Static division were given the attack factor of one
was so that it could participate in a low odds attack and hope for a both
retreat result and maybe retreat out of a pocket  Otherwise they are just
about helpless

  Expanding on this idea and modifying the CRT by adding some Ar results
and allowing the Attacker the retreat option if flipped by a Ae or Aex
result "seem" to be an expansion of that idea and should give the Allies and
Soviets some more combat options when on CRT4.

  For example-

  Maybe the 1:2 odds which is now all Ae would be changed to Ae, Ae, Aex,
Aex, Ar, Ar.  So there would be a 1/3 chance for complete dietruction of the
attacker, a 1/3 chance of an exchange result with a flip and attacker
retreat option following and a 1/3 the the attacker would be forced to
retreat or flip to hold the hex.


  Other columns woul be similiarly modified but you get the idea.  Players
have complained that the Allies and Soviets have such crappy CRT's that it
is impossible to make an attack.  This or a similiar change would rectify
that to a certain extent.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Gary Krockover
    To: Kent & Sue Haunschild ; Warineur
    Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:48 PM
    Subject: Re: [WarInEur] Combat results oddity


    I'm new to the game, but along these lines I've noticed that the CRT's
are very defensively balanced (i.e., very non-"bloody").  A 4:1 or 5:1
attack even only does a DR on a 5 or a 6 with the rest of the results being
adverse to the attacker.  This just means that you really have to plan and
coordinate your attacks (using air support and optimal combined arms
attacks).  Is this normal in the boardgame version as well (I'm coming from
the CWIE2 beta-tester point of view)?

    GJK

    At 11:29 PM 8/24/2008, Kent & Sue Haunschild wrote:

      On combat results of 1/2ex, Ex, or De if either unit is eliminated it
can flip and retreat.  If the Result is a Dr or Br the defender can choose
to flip and hold the hex and the attacker can choose to flip and advance on
a Br. However, if the result is a Ae or Aex the battlegroups cannot retreat.
Seems kind of odd.


      [11.32] At the moment that a unit is reduced to its Battlegroup, the
Battlegroup has the option to retreat one hex. In some cases, this will save
the unit from being Overrun in the Enemy Mechanized Movement
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      [12.63] Whenever a Kampfgruppe or a Battlegroup is formed as a result
of combat, that unit has the option to retreat one hex. This retreat must be
made immediately during the Combat Phase, before any other combat is
resolved.



      Here are two rules from the DG living rules.  Why don't they apply to
Ae or Aex results.  Also how come there is no Ar.  It seems to me that it is
more likely that a attacker will retreat rather than suffer elimination.

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