[WarInEur] On German production for invading Russia

[Kent & Sue Haunschild]

I think you made my point.  If the production system was properly designed 
you shouldn't have to sacrifice the U-boat campaign or Nort Africa.  The 
fact that it doesn't  indicates that there is a design flaw, which we with 
much greater playtesting experience and access to a lot more computer 
support and detect and analize.

I'd like to see all three sides production systems analized and fixed if 
necessary.  The Allies should be able to build the stuff on their 
reinforcement track if they want.  The same for the Soviets.  Their peace 
time production should allow them to produce the 1941 OOB.  If it does that 
then I could care less about what type of units they build.

I'd be willing to allow the Soviet player to exchange 3x1-4 for a 4-4 and 
2x2-5 + 1x3-5 for a 7-5 Soviet mech corps as part of their setup without 
cost.  It will give them the punch for localized counterattacks in early 41, 
but also present them with the delima of having to break some of them down 
in order to cover the frontage.

I also have been doing some comparisons with the OOB listings in the WitE 
booklet with what we now know was the actual OOB in 41.  While there are 
some minor descripancies IE 39 rifle in one source versus 49 rifle in 
another, it also appears that about 10% of the Soviet units are omitted from 
SPI's OOB information.  So those who have argued that the Soviet forces are 
under represented have a valid argument.  I'd be willing to fix this and we 
can through custom scenarios in CWIE2.

I'd like to modify the air war system so that the numbers don't get out of 
hand for either side.  I suggested forced combat to produce the necessary 
attrition in an earlier email, but actually increasing the production costs 
might be a far simplier way of keeping the numbers reasonable.  Or maybe a 
sequential build pool where the first 40 AP are 15 arms points, the next 40 
cost 20 Arms points, and so on.  This would allow the opening years 
production to work as they do now, but make it harder and harder to build 
out the box.

Kent

>
> I haven't tried to build to the OOB, but I have found that you can build a
> good German army for invading Russia, but you have to sacrifice your 
> U-Boats
> and North Africa. The German ends up with 6-5 on all the western ports the
> allies can get to, Italian 2-4 next to all the ports and 1-4 next to the
> 2-4. The German also has a fairly large air force that can be available 
> for
> southern or western use (constantly transfer so you can surge where the
> allies attack). The allies are limited in the south by waiting for the
> Americans to go into Algeria (or failing that, having the Vichy help in
> Sicily). The channel is secure more because the lack of AMPH and airborne
> than anything else. But the allied reinforcements will pile up, waiting 
> for
> 1942. The German follow on builds are directed towards building up the
> western stop-them-on-the-beaches defense and to have a steady stream of 
> 6-5
> to replace the frost bite victims in the coming winter.
>
> It makes for a do or die for the Germans in '41='42 on the eastern front. 
> If
> they can do enough damage, survive the winter and hit hard in '42, they 
> can
> defeat the soviets and flood the west with millions of troops. If they 
> can't
> then the inevitable soviet juggernaut will crush from the east and the
> allies from the west.
>
> But if you build a historical U-boat campaign, you get an insufficient 
> army
> in the east, you are guaranteed to fall short and will be crushed.
>
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