[WarInEur] msu and rail cuts.

[Wardall Clark]

The rules say that a RR unit cannot fix an unrepaired Transportation hit, so i agree that a T-hit is 
something different from a cut in the rail line. 
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The T-hit stops supply, resources, and troop rail movement through or from the hex. 
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Putting an MSU on the T-hit does not repair the T-hit. It does allow supplies and resources to 
jump the gap. Troop transport is still blocked. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Thus an MSU does not fully un-suppress the suppressed rail hex. 
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MY post concerned the following rule interpretation.  Rail hexes carrying supplies must trace back to either a supply center
a port, or an MSU.  It seems clear that for supplies to be loaded onto the rail-net the port or Supply center must be part of the
same rail network-which means that the rail lines in these source hexes have to be working.  
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But in the case of the T-hit above the MSU is not sitting on a working rail line, or is it?  When the T-hit is lifted there is no need
to send in a RR unit to reconnect. 
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The rules seem clear that if an MSU is on a working rail hex then supplies coming to the MSU may be rail transferred from the hex on 
to the troops at the front.  This means that if the MSU can get within its supply range of the rail blockage then supply is restored to 
its section of the net.
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source >>>[=][=][x][x][=][=][=][=][=][=/MSU][=][=][=][=][x][x][x][x][x][x][x][x][x/unit]   
The unit unit is supplied because it is close enough to the end of the rail net section 
which the MSU is keeping active despite the break.
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My understanding of the rule for using an MSU is slightly more generous. Based on the way a T-hit is bridged", 
this should also work:
source >>>[=][=][x][MSU/x][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][x][x][x][x][x][x][x][x][x/unit] 

Some of you have written to say that this does not work because because the MSU is not on an active rail hex. I do not think this 
is actually required, as the rail line above can be traced back to an MSU by my understanding of 'to' and the way that an MSU 
worked to negate a T-hits supply effect. The problem with this interpretation is that it would be different from the way that rail lines
link to ports. 
 
The issue essentially is whether or not "to" in rule 14.4  means "into a hex adjacent to" or means "into a hex containing'. 
I propose that this be resolved by retaining whatever is the current practice of CWIE-1 and then changing the rules language to 
make it completely unambiguous. 
 
The options are a) treat T-hits as anomalies and standardize the way rails link to ports and MSUs.
b) Relax the way that rails link to ports so that the more liberal supply rule is the norm for all rail links
c) Standardize the way that MSUs operate and allow them to be the exception to usual interpretation 
that means into the hex containing.
d) Change the way that t-hits are nullified by MSU placements to make it consistent with the way that 
they nullify cuts/gaps in friendly rail supply
 
--BOB--


Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:31:35 +0100From: sgminfo at aol.comTo: baseballnut570 at hotmail.comCC: warineur at mailman.halisp.netSubject: Re: [WarInEur] msu and rail cuts.
I suspect that the interaction is as follows.1.The T hit does not actually break the rails, it "suppresses" them.The MSU does not actually repair broken rail, it unsuppresses the T hit. I.E. The MSUsits on top of the T hit and cancels its effects.The T hit then continues and is removed in the normal way.-|steve|-baseballnut570 at hotmail.com wrote: 


Steve and others have pointed out that the rules for use of MSU in conjunction with rail hexesseem to contain an anomoly.  If a Transportation hit breaks a rail line, the rules say that placing an MSU  on the T-hit hex fixes the problem.  Supplies pass through the hex to the rail lines in the adjacent hexes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The rules for ports seem clear, the rail line has to include the port hex for the rail to supply the portwith supplies to ship out to sea.  We may want to relax this requirement somewhat. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The rules likewise say that unless the port hex has an operational rail line within it, the rails in an adjacent hex do not carry supplies from that port. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The rules about MSU  contain a slight ambiguiity. The MSU must be on the rail line to transfer supplies for further rail supply,  but does this mean (1) that the MSU's hex must be a friendly rail hexor only (2) that the adjacent hex to which the supplies are transferred must be friendly? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------My understanding was that the second is the correct interpretation, as this is what is happeningin the case where a transportation hit is being bridged.  The MSU sits on the Cut to "bridge"the gap and passes on supply to an adjacent friendly rail hex. --------------------------------------------------------------------------If the first interpretation is used (i..e. the MSU cannot be in a gap) the rule for bridging T-hits is different from rule for bridging other types of cuts. For this reason I always thought that interpretation (2) was the right one. BOB>> > A confusing area this.> > This applies to man centers etc. where an ordinary rail hex is broken(see > note), you must place the MSU on the broken side of rail, not on the uplink > side. Placing it in the breach fails> ---STEVE-----

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