[WarInEur] RE: british OOB

Tue Nov 13 12:42:46 EST 2007

Bob,
I missed the dissolve the 2x 3-10 to gain the IRP exchange possibility.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Kent

That would have given them 13 IRP instead of 11 and allowed them to convert 13x2-10bg into 13x8-10 which added to the one 8-10 received in Britain and the 2 received in Suez does account for the 16x 8-10's on the map in 1940, but it doesn't account for the 2x2-10bg in Norway.  These would have had to have been 8-10 in order to leave. And given the 5 Axis AP on the East Front would have more than likely been flipped by Axis Air/Sea interdiction.  The only way to have produced these would have been to combine 6x2-10bg = 2x8-10.

So we now can account for 18x 8-10 (13 rebuilds+1 Britain and 2 Suez reinforcements+ 2 formed by combining six 2-10bg) and the missing 2x3-10's (dissolved to form 2 more IRP), but the number of 2-10bg remaining in Britain  (16) is way to high. 

They start with 6 and receive 22 more as reinforcements for a total of 28 available. They convert 13 using IRP and combine 6 more to produce 15x8-10.  These conversions/combinations use up 19x2-10bg and when this total is subtracted from the 28 available we should only have 9x2-10bg left. 16-9= 7 to many

So now our choices are:

1) Eliminate 7x2-10bg from Britain. (This seems to drastic a solution to me)

2) Swap out the 2x2-10bg in Norway for 2x3-10, flip one 8-10 back to a 2-10bg (This seems the most neutral as it applies to the balance of forces, but doesn't account for the Axis Air/Sea Interdiction in Norway which the 3-10's wouldn't have survived).

3) Add 3 IRP to the Allied Reinforcement track and 2x3-10 to forces deployed in Britain. (Too Pro-Allied?)

4) Add 2 IRP to the Allied Reinforcement track and flip the 2x3-10 for two more. (Least obtrusive as it only requires adding two IRP to the reinforcement track and their arrival can be delayed until cycle 4/40 and 5/40 so they don't skew the game on the front end.)

Of the three choices which would account for the changes in OOB between the 39 and 40 scenarios, I prefer number 4 because it requires the fewest changes to match the two OOB and the reinforcement track.  Personally, I don't really care since I never place the scenarios, but I don't like anomalies.

My recommedation is that two CW IRP be added on Cycles 0-4-40 and 0-5-40 in the CWIE2 scenarios and campaigns and that the appropriate change be made to the DG living rules.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wardall Clark 
  To: warineur at mailman.halisp.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:42 AM
  Subject: [WarInEur] RE: british OOB

  The British pool of replacements may be augmented by dissolving a 3-10 for 1 IRP 
  or an 8-10 for 2 x IRP.  Furthermore, 3 x 8-10 can become a division and a 3-10
  can be upgraded to a division by eliminating 2 IRP which means that over a two week
  period 3 x 3-10 can become an 8-10. Thus process means that combinations of 8-10s, 
  3-10s and 2-10BGs  can be reached,which are otherwise impossible.    

  Twenty eight X 2-10s, 11 X IRP and 3 X 3-10 can become 13 X 8-10 and 15 2-10s.   
  13 divisions plus the five received as reinforcements is 18 on map, however the two B-Gs in Norway 
  indicate 8-10s that left England. Thus there should be 16 on the map somewhere, and no 3-10s   
  The count of BG in England should be 15.  So here we find an unexplainable number. Somebody 
  goofed. 

  Bob 

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  > 
  > There appears to be a minor error in the CW 1940 OOB as depicted in the set 
  > up instructions.
  > 
  > If we take the the 1939 OOB and add all the reinforcements we should get the 
  > 1940 OOB. We do in most cases. However, we don't in the case of the CW 
  > infantry units.
  > 
  > There is one more 8-10's in Britain that can be accounted for, the two 3-10 
  > brigades have disappeared and we have too many 2-10bg on the map. So what 
  > happened.
  > 
  > First let's look at Egypt/Pallestine. We start off in 39 with two 2-10bg . 
  > In 1940, there are three 2-10bg. There were two 8-10 received as 
  > reinforcements in Suez, but no combat so where did the extra 2-10bg come 
  > from and what happened to the 8-10.s.
  > 
  > The rules prohibit sending a bg from Britain so it didn't come from there. 
  > However, Malta starts off the war with a 2-10 bg in addition to the garrison 
  > unit. In 1940 it is no longer present so maybe it got transfered to Egypt, 
  > that would account for the number of bg's deployed in Egypt/Palestine for 
  > the 1940 campaign. So let's presume that the the Malta 2-10bg has been 
  > transferred to Palestine and the two 8-10 have been sent on to Britain.
  > 
  > That brings us to Britain. The 1939 scenario starts off with six 2-10bgs in 
  > Britain and the CW receives 22 more 2-10bgs as reinforements between 3-9-39 
  > and 0-5-40. They also receive one 8-10, two 3-10s, and 11 IRP. None of the 
  > IRP remain in 1940, so presumeably all were used to convert 2-10bgs into 
  > 8-10s. So what we should have available for Europe is: 15x8-10 (One direct 
  > reinforcement, eleven conversions from 2-10 bgs, and two Suez reinforcements 
  > reshipped to Britain), 2x3-10 received as direct reinforcements, no 
  > remaining IRP and have 17x2-10s remaining in Europe.
  > 
  > However, the 1940 setup gives, 16x8-10 (ten BEF and six in Britain), 18x2-10 
  > (sixteen in Britain and two in Norway) and zero 3-10 (the two 3-10s are 
  > missing). This is a minimum of one more 8-10 than it was possible to build 
  > or a maximum of three to many 8-10s if the two 2-10bg in Norway started out 
  > as 8-10s and were subsequently attrited. There are two 2-10 bg in Norway 
  > and sixteen in Britain for a total of 18x 2-10bgs which is one to many and 
  > as previously noted the 2x3-10's are missing.
  > 
  > So we have one extra 8-10, one extra 2-10bg and two missing 3-10's. I 
  > believe the two 2-10bg in Norway are actually the missing 3-10s (the British 
  > never sent two divisions to Norway ITRW) and the extra 8-10 in Britain 
  > should be a 2-10. These changes make all the numbers work out.
  > 
  > Alternatively, we would need to add three IRP either as reinforcements or as 
  > a prewar pool so that the Allies could convert a total of 14x2-10bg into 
  > 8-10s, assume that two of the 8-10 were intercepted by Axis Air/Sea 
  > interdiction and reduced to 2-10bg in Norway and that the missing 2x3-10 
  > were omitted and need to be added.
  > 
  > Swapping out the 2-10bgs in Norway for the missing 3-10s and reducing one of 
  > the 8-10s in Britain to a 2-10bg requires the fewest changes from the 
  > published setup instructions.
  > 

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