[WarInEur] History of WW II

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Great post Karl, I'm in agreement.

and i teach Glantz  (still a distinct minority among
History teachers), because the 1970s were a long time
ago.



Sergio
--- Karl Gaarsoe <oscardalibrarian at yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK, no politics, but...
> 
> History is VERY poorly taught in our (American)
> Schools. 
> 
> And some things are still very controversial, on the
> Radio this morning (OK, NPR) there was a story about
> how Arkansas ("Always low wages, always") was going
> to have a new 7th/8th grade semester of (on) State
> History, replacing a semester of World History.  
> 
> As for WWII, well, it's not so much give the Germans
> a break, as a basic difference of opinion.  Everyone
> on this list should read David M. Glantz, the
> Historiography of the Eastern Front (Exact Title? or
> something like that);  It used to be on the Foreign
> Military Studies (Fort Leavanworth) web site. 
> 
> http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/documents/failures.htm
> 
> OK, this isn't the exact work I had in mind, but a
> nice starting point.
> 
> Basically, the German Version got here first, and is
> embedded in most English language accounts of the
> War.  COL Glantz, following up on the work of John
> Erickson, had done a tremendous job of filling in
> many of the gaps in the English Language literature,
> but the popular tone is set.  You can go into any
> chain bookstore or Public Library and find at least
> one of the three main (German) sources from which we
> still derive our impressions of the war. 
> 
> Hey, look at the Optional Counters in BWiE;  All
> those "Optional" 7-10/6-10 Motorized divisions (You
> did read the rules and realize that they were a
> REPLACEMENT (Individually) for 8-8 PzG didn't you?),
> plus some other useful stuff.   120+  optional
> German counters, plus the Axis Minors, etc. 
> 
> OK, we did get a few 8-8 and 9-8 Guards Tank Corps
> for the Russians.  I still say if the SS rate as
> 13-8, the (Russian) 1944 Guards Mechanized Corps
> should also rate as 13-8.  I'm not sure if the 4-8
> Mcz Cavalry are particularly worthwhile.
> (What are the Production coasts?)
> 
> The Basic Soviet OB is an early 1970's impression of
> the Soviet Army in 1941;  With a few add ons to
> carry it through the (Board) War in the East
> Campaign Game.
> 
> Yes, the basic force structure (June 22, 1941) is
> "correct";  But the simulation of the evolution and
> Mobilization of the Russian (Soviet) army leaves a
> great  deal to be desired.
> 
> (OK, one of my personal hobby horses, where is the
> Cavalry?).
> 
> Later, what is Victory?
> 
> Karl Gaarsoe
> 
> 
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