[WarInEur] partisans Yugo who controls what...
Don Lazov
dlazov at comcast.net
Tue Dec 11 08:04:56 EST 2007
/You are incorrect Yugoslavs are not allied units.
From DG:
First only in deployment (note, not control):/
[47.0] ...
Thus, the Allied Player always deploys the Yugoslavians regardless of
which player eventually attacks Yugoslavia.
[47.36] Activation: Yugoslavia is activated only when a foreign power
declares war upon her.
_47.39 (clarification) If Yugoslavia is controlled by the Soviets, then
Yugoslavia has 5 rail transport points, which can only be used to rail
Yugoslavian units in Yugoslavia. The Yugoslavian rail lines are
European gauge (not Russian, see rule 6.5)._
[50.4]...
Yugoslavian Partisans are deployed and employed by the Soviet Player,
except in War in the West, where these functions are performed by the
Allied Player.
[50.42] Creation of Yugoslavian Partisan Units
As the years progress, the Soviet (or Allied in War in the
West) Player is allowed to attempt to convert Yugoslavian Cadres into
units at an increasing rate as shown in the following table:
[50.43] Partisan Divisions
Beginning in 1943, the controlling Player is allowed to
attempt to convert existing Partisan units into Partisan divisions, at a
rate of one per Turn. A Yugoslav Partisan division is a Ground Combat
unit for all game purposes. However, it may never exit Yugoslavia.
Partisan divisions are automatically in supply at all times. The
presence of Partisans has no effect on the Political Status of Yugoslavia.
[50.46] Yugoslavian units, divisions, and Cadres can stack, pass
through, or be passed through by Allied or Soviet units (effectively not
associated, but allied with both). At the start of every Game Turn, the
Soviet Player decides if the Yugoslav units and divisions move and
attack on the Soviet or Allied Player Turn. Yugoslavs may move and
attack only once per Player Turn.
/Interesting bit on French Partisans (commies)/
[50.7] Control of French & Italian Partisans
Communists were the backbone of the Western Partisan effort.
To reflect this we will permit the Soviet Player at anytime to try to
seize control of any existing Western partisan cadres and units. He
simply rolls the die, on a roll of 1, 2 or 3 and he controls all Western
Partisans. On a roll of 4, 5 or 6, the Allied Player continues to
control them. The Soviet Player may attempt this only once per game.
Regardless of who controls Western Partisans, only the Allied Player may
deploy them.
/So Yugo partisans are not necessarily controlled by the W.Allies (only
in WitW scenarios and campaigns), most of the time they are controlled
by the Soviet Player (in WiE campaign games). Unless the Soviets attack
or declare war on Yugoslavia then the control by defacto goes to the
W.Allies./
srm wrote:
> yugoslavs are allied units, controlled by the allied
> player. "logic" says that.
>
>
>
> --- Kent & Sue Haunschild <kentsue at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Okay! I found SPI rule 31.13 "an unlimited number of
>> [Allied] Partisan Cadre
>> may occupy a single hex." and SPI rule 31.24 "an
>> unlimited number of
>> [Allied] Partisan Units may occupy a single hex."
>>
>> However, both these rules apply to Allied partisans.
>> Yugoslavian Partisan
>> Cadre are formed when their parent units are
>> eliminated. Since the parents
>> units were subject to stacking limits, logic says
>> that there will never be
>> more than four cadre in a hex.
>>
>> I haven't run across the errata rules you mention
>> yet.
>>
>> Still looking
>>
>> Kent
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kent & Sue Haunschild" <kentsue at cox.net>
>> To: "war in europe forum"
>> <warineur at mailman.halisp.net>
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] partisans (resend)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Sergio,
>>>
>>> You are the best rules lawyer I know. Will you
>>>
>> send me a rules reference
>>
>>> so I can look it up. I wasn't aware that anyone
>>>
>> was allowed to violate
>>
>>> the stacking limits.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Kent
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "srm" <foufut at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "war in europe forum"
>>>
>> <warineur at mailman.halisp.net>
>>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] partisans (resend)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> btw,
>>>> Yugoslav partisans do not have a stacking limit.
>>>>
>> This
>>
>>>> includes divisions, rules lawyers.
>>>>
>>>> my sources:SPI and KC Errata.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Kent & Sue Haunschild <kentsue at cox.net>
>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> SPI
>>>>>
>>>>> [73.5] Yugoslavian Partisans are deployed and
>>>>> employed by the Soviet Player (revision of case
>>>>> 31.5). In the 1941, 42, 43, and 44 scenarios
>>>>> partisans are deployed after any Axis forces in
>>>>> Yugoslavia are placed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1941- 38 cadres
>>>>>
>>>>> 1942- 36 cadres, 2 units
>>>>>
>>>>> 1943- 26 cadres, 4 units, 2 divisions
>>>>>
>>>>> 1944- 12 cadres, 3 units, 11 divisions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DG
>>>>>
>>>>> [50.45] Placement of Yugoslav Partisans for
>>>>> Scenarios
>>>>>
>>>>> In the 1941, 42, 43 and 44 scenarios
>>>>> partisans within Yugoslavia are deployed after
>>>>>
>> any
>>
>>>>> Axis forces in Yugoslavia are placed. Units and
>>>>> divisions may not be deployed in Enemy Zones of
>>>>> Control or Enemy-occupied hexes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Year
>>>>> Cadres
>>>>> Units
>>>>> Divisions
>>>>>
>>>>> 1941
>>>>> 38
>>>>> 0
>>>>> 0
>>>>>
>>>>> 1942
>>>>> 35
>>>>> 2
>>>>> 0
>>>>>
>>>>> 1943
>>>>> 26
>>>>> 4
>>>>> 2
>>>>>
>>>>> 1944
>>>>> 12
>>>>> 3
>>>>> 11
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess I need to watch out for the rule changes.
>>>>>
>> See
>>
>>>>> sentence in blue above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian wrote-
>>>>>>
>>>>> Rule [50.45] seems clear to me. Units and
>>>>>
>> divisions
>>
>>>>> can't, so cadre can, go
>>>>> in axis ZOC. The Yugoslavians don't ever have a
>>>>> cadre pool so I'd steer
>>>>> clear of making one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can also interpret the added sentence to mean
>>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>>> Partisan Units and Divisions (as well as Cadre)
>>>>> cannot be placed in a Axis ZOC. (The Cadre in
>>>>>
>> this
>>
>>>>> case would be covered by the general rule
>>>>> prohibiting Cadre placement in a ZOC. The added
>>>>> sentence becomes an extension of the no cadre
>>>>> placement in Axis ZOC rule.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Kent
>>>>>
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