[WarInEur] partisans (resend)

[Kent & Sue Haunschild]

Well the devil is always in the details.  There is no provision in the rules 
for establishing a pool for later deployment if units can't be placed during 
the game set up and nothing in the rules that says the Yugoslavians are 
exceptions to the Partisan cadre placement rules and can ignore Axis ZOC. 
So a rules lawyer would interpet this to mean that if the Cadre cannot find 
a placement hex free from an Axis ZOC during the initial setup the the units 
are lost.  So stripping Albania and defending Greece with only six divisions 
for a turn might be worthwhile if thereafter there was no possibility of 
Yugoslavian partisans.

What I really think I need to do is assume that overruns do create 
Yugoslavian Cadre, invade Yugoslavia with the intention of forcing a quick 
surrender and then see where the cadre end up.  These hexes would then 
become the placement hexes for 1941 and  go from there to see what 42, 43, 
44 should look like.

Kent
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Raine" <iwraine at bigpond.net.au>
To: "war in europe forum" <warineur at mailman.halisp.net>
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WarInEur] partisans (resend)


>
> "I lurk therefore I am"
>
> Having always played either a 1939 or 1940 campaign (or just WitE) this 
> never came up. But can't cadres, as opposed to units or divisions, be 
> placed in axis zoc or occupied hexes ? You can pile them all up on the 
> railway under a German unit, if you like. [50.45] refers. In the 42/43/44 
> scenarios there are at a rough count 37/49/21 axis units available to 
> garrison Yugoslavia in the setup, but many of these are in the pool of 
> units used to also cover Greece/Albania.  So only by denuding Greece and 
> Albania of defending units could you (possibly) cover Yugoslavia anyway. 
> That may not be such a good idea.
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Ian, long time no see
>>
>> The cover the rail lines with ZOC is the traditional treatment.  However, 
>> one thing I questioned was what happens if the entire country is covered 
>> with ZOC during the setup.  Does this completely block the placement of 
>> Yugoslavian Cadre? Are they lost forever? Or, do they go into a pool for 
>> placement during a later turn?  Does the Allied player have to place the 
>> cadre in "open" hexes up to the stacking limit, or can he voluntarially 
>> hold some back into a pool?
>>
>> Kent
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ian Raine" <iwraine at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "war in europe forum" <warineur at mailman.halisp.net>
>> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WarInEur] partisans (resend)
>>
>>
>>> Just as a matter of interest, who here playing axis dosen't cover the 
>>> entire railway line through Yugoslavia and the hexes adjacent to it with 
>>> units or zocs (usually using Bulgarians, Italians, etc), and eliminate 
>>> any cadres within that 'exclusion zone'?
>>>
>>> By the time the partisans can actually attack you the reason for 
>>> maintaining that line has usually gone away.
>>>
>>>
>>
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