[Consim-l] New Forum: Old Soldiers Magazine

Sun Dec 23 01:17:00 EST 2007

Howdy Mike,

I'm so pleased you like the counters.  I do make an extra effort to insure 
the counters I make are of the highest quality possible.  There's so many 
people out there making aftermarket counters that pay no attention to the 
quality of the materials they use or their workmanship.  I was playing The 
Battle of Cufra tonight, one of KPG's early DTP efforts for  which I made my 
own counters and they were nice indeed.  I know that's tooting my own horn a 
bit, but I do like counters to be well made.

Merry Christmas to you and your family,
Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike NotSpecified" <blockhead at bresnan.net>
To: <consim-l at mailman.halisp.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Consim-l] New Forum: Old Soldiers Magazine

> Hi Tom,
>
> I've always been a little leery of ACG in general, the Weider family just 
> strikes me as a little off.  I enjoy the magazine, but have never bothered 
> with the forums.
>
> Anyway, I good luck with your magazine, I think posts here to alert us to 
> new issues is fine.  And I'm really enjoying the Flat Top counters you 
> made me!
>
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:07:35 -0500
>  "Thomas Cundiff" <tdcgunslinger at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Howdy Mike,
>>
>> Yes, I was referring to the ACG forums (Armchair General) i.e. that their 
>> forums have become populated by too many far left loons and right wing 
>> skin head types.  Just too many people who have no common sense, and no 
>> effort made by their moderators to eliminate the riff-raff.  It's not 
>> really a wargame website anyway.  It's more of a political and 
>> semi-historical website and forum.  They only incidentally cover 
>> wargaming.  Given the current tone of American and indeed international 
>> politics, it's just a morass of anger and intolerance, I see no reason to 
>> associate with such individuals. In my mind doing so just lends aid and 
>> support.  Rather like someone who contributes to the efforts of a charity 
>> that you know through its back door is lending aid and comfort to 
>> terrorists, if you don't remove yourself from the effort, you're just as 
>> guilty as anyone else who participated.  Just no sense and too much 
>> outright hatred in all too much that is written over there.
>>
>> I also take your point referring to the fracturing of the wargaming 
>> community.  And you are correct too about the amount of time it takes to 
>> post and read things all over the net.  I think CSW has always the 
>> opportunity and ability to serve the needs of all wargamers if there was 
>> more effective modertion of the excess of its rather more .... shall we 
>> say vocal, imptuous, impulsive, and intemperate members.  Sadly no effort 
>> is made to do that. And, there's no real  reason to suffer the bad 
>> manners of bores.
>>
>> If Alan doesn't mind, I'll post things here from time to time such as the 
>> release of new issues. One was just released - I try to beat the Jan 1 
>> issue by getting it out before Christmas every year - I've been lucky 
>> enough to do that for the last 4 years, nothing I dislike more than being 
>> late with an issue and I think it a fair thing for subscribers that they 
>> get the articles and things from the January issue before Christmas so 
>> they can use it during their Christmas time off from work and school - 
>> it's just a courteous thing to do for subscribers.
>>
>> I've not much cared for the format of the forums, or threads if that's 
>> what they're called, over at CSW either.  The specific construction of 
>> the site could be better.  For instance if every company had a forum and 
>> under their forum they could list sub forums for their specific games and 
>> company news and/or an opportunity for the publishers to chat with 
>> wargamers.  That would be more useful than the single thread.  Oh well, 
>> c'est la vie.
>>
>> Take Care & Merry Christmas,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike NotSpecified" 
>> <blockhead at bresnan.net>
>> To: <consim-l at mailman.halisp.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 5:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Consim-l] New Forum: Old Soldiers Magazine
>>
>>
>>> I'm in favor of the group hug, no sarcasm.  But Tom, can you clarify one 
>>> thing?  Your original post refered to ACG, Armchair General forums.  Is 
>>> that the group you are wanting to get away from?
>>>
>>> I've argued since the beginning of ConsimWorld that having multiple 
>>> forum sites (remember, most publishers have their own as well) tends to 
>>> fracture the hobby.  I don't miss the flame wars on this list, but I do 
>>> miss hearing about new products etc. unless I'm carefull to sign up for 
>>> newsletters from all of the publishers I care about.
>>>
>>> Also, web forums are the least effective way to communicate in my mind, 
>>> how often do you think I'll rememeber to go check the Old Soldiers 
>>> fourm, the Columbia Games forum, the Avalanche Press forums at CW, the 
>>> Avalanche Press daily content at their website, the.... you get the 
>>> idea.  If I had 2 hours a day to devote to the hobby I'd be playing, not 
>>> surfing endless websites and forums... I hope you'll post any Old 
>>> Soldiers updates to this list!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:32:28 -0800
>>>  "Dave Kohr" <davekohr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> It was almost a flame war, but then it turned into a group hug. With
>>>> strong undercurrents of sarcasm. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 18, 2007 7:13 AM, Tim Allen <t.allen at uwinnipeg.ca> wrote:
>>>>> umm...are we having a flame-war about flame-wars?
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