Internet clutter was Re: [Consim-l] After Action Report - PanzerBlitz Scenario 6

[Alan Poulter]

Hi Mike,

Interesting post below of yours. The irony is that, compared to times
past, we are drowning in too much wargame chat rather than too little.
Unfortunately there is no way of reducing channels, and not even of
getting simple tools like threading, which helps to avoid clutter,
universally adopted. You have omitted Boardgamegeek, which has its own
general gaming forums, and also forums (for rules, reviews etc) for every
game. It now has a lot of wargaming material.

I do what I can to collect stuff for Grognards, but I cannot read every
channel/forum/list/conference, much as I would like to ;-)

Alan

> Hi Tracy!
>
> just to let you know, I did get your message, on consim-l no less!
>
> The number of lists in your header is impressive, and discouraging.  The
> reason you almost correctly do not antcipate a response from consim is
> that we
> have stupidly fractured our hobby.
>
> What possible benefit is there in having:
> panzerblitz at yahoogroups
> avalonhillgames at yahoogroups
> Avalonhillplayers at yahoogroups
> boardwargaming at yahoogroups.com
> consimlist at yahoogroups.com,
> war-games at yahoogroups.com
> stavka at yahoogroups.com
>
> to say nothing of the hundreds of folders on consimworld and the
> discussion
> boards maintained by each publisher.
>
> Rather than dropping each of these lists a message "to keep them alive",
> we'd
> do better to ask each list owner to drop the list entirely.  Let's settle
> on
> one, common, list with lots of traffic.  What Consim-L used to be...
>
> I guarantee you that those interested in Panzerblitz might also be
> interested
> in say PanzerLeader.  And people interested in those probably wouldn't
> mind
> hearing about other Avalon Hill titles.  And that group might even be
> interested in other wargames by other publishers.
>
> I would suggest we use consimworld folders for individual games, and some
> form
> of the old consim for general wargaming.  If that needs to be on yahoo,
> then
> so be it.  But this multiplicty of lists and websites etc. means too many
> of
> us will never hear of new and related wargames.  And posters, like you and
> me,
> will continue to be discouraged by the lack of response.
>
> We have stupidly fractured our hobby.  we should work at pulling together
> by
> reducing the number of channels.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 11:43:28 -0500
>   Tracy Johnson <tmjva at verizon.net> wrote:
>> (Also sent to consim, knowing I'll never see a reply)
>>
>> (And other little-used yahoogroups, a message now and then to keep those
>>lists alive.)
>>
>> On a lark one day I taught and played a game of PanzerBlitz Scenario 6,
>> a
>>German Mobile defense of the Dneiper River during a retreat...
>>
>> Soviet victory conditions were to simply make it across the board to the
>>other side without significant loss.  The German least victory condition
>> were
>>to destroy as many Soviet units as friendly units lost.
>>
>> Jacob played the Soviets what would be normally considered an
>> overwhelming
>>attack with a whole Tank Corps (18 Tank Companies + some Infantry) vs.
>>remnants of a German Tank Regiment, an Anti-Tank Battalion and a Flak
>>Battalion (3 Tank Platoons and some guns.)
>>
>> Given the superior range and mobility of the German units, the Soviets
>> broke
>>like waves against a cliff and never made it past one-third of the way
>>across.  Granted the terrain was against the Soviets, exposing them as
>> they
>>came out of the woods.
>>
>> It was also a great learning experience for a first time player.  Since
>>usually new players like to have a lot of tanks on their side.
>>
>> A decisive victory was granted the Germans as they destroyed three times
>> as
>>many units as were lost.
>>
>> --
>> BT
>>
>> Tracy Johnson
>> Justin Thyme Productions
>> Ye olde free telnet games at:
>> http://hp3000.empireclassic.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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